2P START! Live!: E3 2008 Special Edition
July 21st, 2008
This very special episode details everything worth knowing about the BIG 3 and their E3 keynotes, plus lots of music, soundbites, and chapter art to keep you going!
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This very special episode details everything worth knowing about the BIG 3 and their E3 keynotes, plus lots of music, soundbites, and chapter art to keep you going!
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Just the thing to listen to while working overtime….
Ooh! You updated your opening theme! I’ll put my thoughts as well.
Microsoft: Fallout 3 looks great to me! V.A.T.S. is very interesting. Resident Evil 5 looks good, but a clone of Resident Evil 4. I really want another RE1 style game. Fable 2 looks pretty good, but I still haven’t played the first one. Same with Gears 2. I don’t really care about the new dashboard Avatars irratate me, as they look disturbingly similar to Miis. But Avatars have HANDS! I’ll of course make one though. I will buy Portal: Still Alive. Halo Wars is sort of meh to me. I’m not a big fan of RTSs. Guitar Hero and Rockband are basically more of the same, which isn’t neccessarily a bad thing. I’ll pick them up. Final Fantasy XIII for 360 is pretty cool, but I still need to get into the series. I didn’t really care about anything else.
Nintendo: I’m going to buy Animal Crossing: City Folk, but I saw it coming a mile away. I’m also a little dissapointed how similar it it to Wild World. Wii Speak is a pretty cool addition though. It’s a double edged sword though. I’m really excited about Wii Motionplus. I will buy Wii Sports Resort, if only for the Wii Motionplus. The sword fight game looks pretty cool. I’m going to buy Wii Music, but I’m a little dissapointed about the flailing = music. I really hope you can make your own songs in it. You noticed the thing about the four players, Tim? I wondered about that. I hope that they announce a new Mario or Zelda soon. There were some awesome quotes there. Shaun White took the cake for me. “So, uh, are you calibrated yet?” “Ooh, that was rather tasty!” as well as all of the quotes you guys mentioned.
Sony: I didn’t see much of this one. M.A.G. looks very ambitious. I wish that they had a gameplay video or something. God of War 3 will probably be good. Little Big Planet looks very interesting to me. Nothing else was very impressing to me.
Konami: I really want to see that video now for Rock Revolution. It sounds hilarious!
Finally, great podcast guys! I really enjoyed it. Also, sorry for how long my comment is.
Just the thing to try out my brand new MP3 PLAYER!!! š
I would also like to say that Cammie sucks. Broken wrist or not.
This is the only one of your podcasts that has actually lead to a *facepalm*.
If I hear one more complaint about Wii Music or City Folk, I think I’m going to explode.
City Folk has just as much new content coming from Wild World to City Folk as Wild World had coming from the original. There will be new content. There will be DS to Wii connectivity. There will be new Special NPC’s, perhaps you’ve seen the Skunk and the new Porcupine?
There are tons of new features! There’s about a two post list on gamefaqs about all the features, and 90% are new. I’ll list some of the ones that stuck out for me.
*There will be a character that will change your shoes to match your outfit.
*You can now design the sleeves, back, and front of a shirt.
*There’s a new Gracie line of clothing and furniture.
*There’s a theater, which although not completely new features Dr. Shrunk and most likely a new character (he’s got a picture on the wall).
*The four houses are now spread out across the town.
*The basement’s back.
*New real world and fake holidays are in.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. There is LOADS of new content in City Folk.
Now for Wii Sports Resort. You guys complained that the Disc Dog was a bad demo. It wasn’t. They only had three games to show at that point. The dueling was way to hectic to show what the Wii Motion Plus could do, and the Jet Ski game barely needs it. The Disc Dog demo showed just how accurate the addition was. And in an interview with Reggie, he even threw the frisbee behind his back and it still worked. And with 7 other games coming this is going to last for a while.
As for Wii Music. It’s going to be fun. That’s the bottom line. That’s the only thing you should look for in a game. The different instruments will no doubt keep it fresh for a long time. This SHOULD also appeal to Nintendo fans because of the soundtrack. For all we know the soundtrack could almost be as extensive as Brawl. What I mean by that is, the game will have all types of songs and it will feature many of Nintendo’s themes. I still cannot fathom why everyone hates this game so much. It’s not even out yet, for all you know there could be a mode in which it takes more skill and even if it doesn’t, guess what. I almost guarantee, that if you play this with at least one more person, Nintendo’s motto will become all too familiar. Even if you are playing by yourself, it will still be fun. I mean, come on, who doesn’t want to play a rock version of various Nintendo themes.
I must be the only one on the face of the planet, who, without a doubt, will be buying all three of these games ON launch.
I don’t really feel I can say much about the other conferences without being a bit biased because I’m not a fan of shooters, but honestly I was wondering when Sony’s conference was going to be over. It was too long for me. And MAG, perhaps I haven’t done enough research, but having 256 players online is going to do nothing for you if the gameplay is horrible, and to my knowledge they haven’t even talked about the gameplay. And maybe I’m just ignorant, but who decides to make a game like Little Big Planet, and then go “Hey, let’s develop this exclusively for the PS3, which is geared towards adults!”
And I’ve just remembered more about Nintendo’s conference. They have specifically stated that they like to announce games when they are nearing completion. Would you prefer what they did with Brawl, with Pikmin and whatever the Mario and Zelda teams are working on. You mentioned that Sony had a bad habit of announcing games and then taking forever to release them. Nintendo could do that too. Everyone would get their precious “hardcore” games, but they’d have to wait to get them. And Nintendo is smart to announce the casual games at E3 because it’s the bigger event, and more people are bound to hear about it. The “core” gamers will pay attention to TGS and other conventions, so that would be the time to announce these so called “hardcore” games (frankly, I’m getting tired of saying that. IMO, if the game is fun, the difficulty should not matter). And I don’t think that Nintendo honestly wanted to announce Pikmin, but no one would shut up about the lack of “hardcore” games, so they just threw that out there.
And Microsoft. I only saw the second half of the conference but honestly, it seemed that everything they announced was in response to either Sony or Nintendo. They’ve seen the success of Miis and while I do think avatars are a good idea, I can’t help, but think that all these casual games and avatars are in response to Nintendo.
And now back to Nintendo. Cammie. Everyone absolutely hated her. Yes, it was a bit awkward to watch her sometimes, but I honestly think people were just taking out their frustration because of the casual games on her, because she’s the one that presented them. I admit, the dog comment was unnecessary, but she shouldn’t be ridiculed across the Internet for it.
And for now that’s the end of my rant. Sorry, but this has all been building up throughout the past week because of everyone’s “hatred” of Nintendo’s conference.
Roadjcat,
Regarding City Folk, those features you list are EXACTLY why we’re disappointed with this version of Animal Crossing. Of those features, none make me want to re-buy the same game. Customizing my sleeves doesn’t make me want to start from scratch AGAIN and do the same stuff. For a game that has no real goal, a game that is supposed to be fun to just do stuff, they’re not introducing any new things to do!
Wii Sports Resort will be fun, it will be great, I don’t doubt that. The Disc Dog demo DID show the capabilities of Wii MotionPlus well, with moving her arm around and all. The reason it was a bad demo is because that particular Wii Sports game will suck. Honestly, how many hours do you see yourself pouring into throwing a dog a frisbee? It’s dumb and boring. If the other 7 games are that shallow, I won’t be interested. I’m hoping either Disc Dog gets dropped altogether, or that it’s the very worst of the bunch.
Wii Music as shown at E3 is NOT a game. It’s a toy. Toys can be fun, but this one appears to have no purpose and no challenge. I absolutely can’t imagine having even 5 minutes of enjoyment when playing this by myself. I’m hoping that this was just one little part of Wii Music and that there are other, more structured games included.
Well, I guess it really all just is “different strokes for different folks” then huh? Those features I listed are what make me want to buy Animal Crossing again. I don’t know, I just have a hard time understanding some of these things sometimes. I tend to like to do the same things on Animal Crossing again. I’ve created multiple files before to do so. New conversations is all it takes to freshen up the series really for me. With the new NPCs comes new conversations and new activities. Who knows what type of holidays there are? At this point, I think they’ve done all they can do to freshen up the game without changing it completely. I’ve obviously played both games and the changes from each one are enough to keep me hooked for quite some time. I’m not sure what much I can say. It’s just that I don’t think that the argument “It’s the same as the old one” is still valid. The game has new features. I mean, it’s fine if you don’t want to buy it, but I don’t think it’s the same as the rest. The same could be levied against a lot of other Nintendo franchises. People could say that they don’t like Zelda, because the formula hasn’t changed…
As for Wii Sports, yes I can see your point. Throwing a frisbee can only be so entertaining unless the spice it up a bit, but the other two look like they could last, and wityh 7 other games, I’m sure there’s going to be enough that are fun. Probably more than there were in the original.
And for Wii Music, I suppose it’s the same saying as with City Folk. I’m pretty obsessed with Nintendo music so maybe that’s it, but I still think this could be fun. Granted, I doubt it will last as long as say City Folk by yourself (yes I play AC mostly by myself). I think you could get 5 minutes of entertainment as you’d want to try out all the instruments, at least I would, but again, that’s just me.
gave a listen, now my response…
Microsoft: Really, really interesting… that they’ve spending so much time in Copy Pasta territory. I understand pushing for new IPs and new franchises but let’s face it, Microsoft spent the last 7 years specifically targeting one audience and changing now feels really out of place. Especially since they’re basically copying franchises from Sony and Nintendo. You’re in the movies? EyeToy with a new gimmick. Lips? Singstar. So on and so forth. I will disagree with Ray on fallout though. Mainly because the things he says is the “easy out” on campiness comes directly from Fallout 1 and 2. The V.A.T.S. system comes from there as well. If they tried to calm down the campiness, there would have been H to pay. Especially if they tried to remove the very memorable logos from the P.I.P.B.O.Y. Just be glad their first mission shown wasn’t gathering giant scorpian tails… I would have preferred to see the game look more like Biowares Dragon Age in design and control, however. But the major coup was FFXIII which was a major bomb to drop. I’m only really upset about it because SquareEnix claims the reason it went multiplat is simply because they won’t be picking sides. Same thing they said in the DS vs. PSP war and, well, we all saw how that turned out. Three years later, the only honest effort from SE still remains Crisis Core. Basically they’ve announced 5 next gen titles so far. Three are exclusive to 360, one is now multiplat, and the final one is halted while they finish the multiplat… but they’re not choosing sides. This WOULD make sense if JRPGs actually SOLD on 360 but so far, that hasn’t been the case. Even reuniting the Chrono Trigger dream team for Blue Dragon couldn’t move copies.
Nintendo: I wasn’t really the audience they were talking to… Never liked Animal Crossing… and frankly, wondering why they were showing off a Wii Resort game that wasn’t using the MotionPlus (Jetski used nunchuck… Motionplus has no throughput, would they really force strap-on swapping between minigames?). I was hoping we could get a look at SOMETHING for the core gamer, especially after Reggie’s promise of something at E3. And then to act shocked when we came away disappointed. I mean, Shiggy said E3 isn’t the show to display for the core gamer because of the press (hint: most of the press there reports to the Core gamer, not Ellen and Oprah), and Cammie? That skull with lips actually said “Core gamers should keep playing Mario Kart, Keep playing Smash Brothers…” Whoever Nintendo was trying to talk to there certainly wasn’t me.
Sony: God I hate Tretton… I really, really hate Tretton. Bring back Harrison, bring back Kuturugi. Tretton was supposed to leave! It’s not fair. Part of me wants to agree on the points about how long it took for most PSX family systems to ramp up, but the other part of me remembered that, while the stuff on tap in the first year was very rarely a premium, it was still of consistant quality with an open tap. The quality is still consistant, but it’s the tap part that’s not working out so well. I’m not unhappy with my PS3 in the slightest, but it could be better. Part of me applauds Sony’s stance of creating new franchises with a new console, but the other part of me wanted to see Jak & Daxter: New Frontier revealed. I wanted to see Twisted Metal… we KNOW they’re working on it. I want to not only see Wipeout HD, but the Wipeout 7 that’s confirmed in production. I want to see Jet Moto return, Intelligent Qube get updated, Legend of Dragoon 2. Sony really went from being a pathetic developer to a grade A publisher and studiohouse and most of the franchises are left behind.
The other thing that REALLY annoyed me was that the best announcements came AFTER the presser. Such as Killzone 2’s multiplayer finally detailed AND shown and WOW. My personal game of the show, Fat Princess, was unveiled. Street Dates on Eterna Sonata and Valkeria Chonicles were both given. LittleBigPlanet now supports text placement in levels (This is a new feature.. and the devs basically said any tools they created to do that press conference are now in the final product) and users can charge for their levels just like Second Life. Just as I said… the AFTER PRESS CONFERENCE Sony was much better than the actual presser.
I won’t say I expect M.A.G. to blow us away… after all, graphics HAVE to take a hit when running 256 players… but I will say it’s by Zipper Interactive, the original creators of SOCOM and rumors are floating about that M.A.G. is actually what happened to SOCOM 5 (Similar to how Resident Evil 4 turned into Devil May Cry… and Onimusha…). If anyone can pull it off, it would be Zipper. Honestly, from R2’s 60 player MP to M.A.G., Sony is doing some good stuff online.
Konami: Didn’t watch it… sorry.
Oh yes. There is one bad thing I will say about Nintendo. Now I love Animal Crossing (obviously), but I wouldn’t consider it a “hardcore” game like Reggie did. (Yes, that was the game he was referring to).
Roadjcat,
First off, I want to thank you for taking time to comment on the podcast. Although it may come off differently in the podcast, Tim and I do not share the exact same views. Judging by Tim’s post above, he is actively seeking to burn Nintendo’s headquarters to the ground over their presentation at E3.
Although my view of Animal Crossing is much more positive than Tim’s, the majority of those features listed are not very interesting to me either. At this point, I’m not planning on buying the game, but should more details emerge in my favor, then I will probably reconsider. The original Animal Crossing was enjoyable, but very basic and limited in functionality. Wild World’s addition of touch-screen control, improved graphic-style, portability, and Wi-Fi connectivity took the game to a new level worthy of a purchase. Unfortunately, City Folk’s only serious addition is Wii Speak, and I can’t say I’m looking at the DOJO everyday for that one…..
As for Wii Music, I’m much more optimistic about it than Tim (it’s not a toy, dude), but after enjoying two Donkey Konga games, I’m not expecting a thrilling Nintendo soundtrack to this one. Let me guess… “Happy Birthday” will be making the list.
Let’s face it, the music won’t be anything like Brawl’s soundtrack, especially since Wii Music is meant for the “casual” gamer. I doubt they are going to know music for any more than five Nintendo games, so I’m not holding my breath. None the less, I seriously hope it’s a title that really proves itself as worthy of a serious purchase.
Um… the same does not go to “Sonic and the Dark Knight.” That will probably never get my approval…
Sheppy,
Thanks for your comments. I definitely value your opinion.
MetaRidleyR27,
The first to notice the song change for the Special Edition! Hope you like it, and thanks for your long comments.
Everyone else,
Thanks for your comments as well. Always means a lot.
There is a TON Nintendo could add to Animal Crossing if they wanted to. It wouldn’t be hard either, all they really have to do is pay attention to Sims again, since that’s what Animal Crossing is based off of. Why are there no pets in Animal Crossing? You’d think giving us a “Cutest darn puppy you’ve ever seen” (so sayeth the talking skull)would be among the first steps. From there, transporation is another big thing to add. If I’m doing nothing in this town, I’d love to do it on an ATV, enter races, etc. What I’ve seen of AC is a refinement of what was done previously, not really an adding of activities. Wii’s a big system, it can take a ton of stuff added to it.
But as for Wii Music, let’s just say I’m NOT impressed. I used to work in a toy department at Meijers LOOOOONG ago and Wii Music reminded me of something… Barney The Dinosaurs Sing Along Guitar. Basically it was a laser. And children “strummed,” they broke the beam and cued a note from a playlist. It would play through a song. This was a really hot toy one year. That’s Wii Music. I think Wii Music is going to be great for kids, but I don’t think kids can set it up. People INTO rhythm games, who have played Guitar Hero, scratched along with Beatmania, jigged to DDR, and repelled an alien force with Space Michael in Space Channel 5, they are scratching their heads. This has no game and Shiggy even confirmed this. It’s not a game. It has no rhythm, it’s just flailing. The Nintendo music could save DDR Mario Mix… this makes it sound sad and mournful…
Short comment: Great Music. Loved it.
Interesting Opinions. Interesting Conference. Funny Commentary.
Nice Podcast. š
Okay, I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that I’m just obsessed with Animal Crossing. I am in fact looking forward more to this than I was to Brawl (Yes, *crowd gasps*). And as I said before I think the new City is almost more than enough to satisfy me. One thing I did forget to mention was that there will be downloadable content. Although many of you may not be interested in City Folk, it brought some new things to the table. The Counduit is already taking advantage of WiiSpeak, and who knows what else may have downloadble content? I think perhaps this year for Nintendo was just to show some new possibilities, and a few people, me being one of them, actually are interested in the games that were shown. XD
There is little doubt in my mind that “Happy Birthday” will be included as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was, but if they included just one Metroid song, I’ll be content. I was actually surprised about the F-Zero song, I didn’t expect that one at all.
And sheppy in reference to pets in Animal Crossing:
http://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic1-052807.php
Oh, and I wasn’t really interested in any of the games mentioned, but I do like to be up on gaming news. You guys were my first look into E3, and it was an entertaining look too. Thanks guys!
And I loved the remixed song. When are you going to put up the theme for Trivia for You, Ray? You said you were going to several podcasts ago…
Downloadaable content on Wii still frightens me. Until they fix the storage problem, it will remain a no-no for myself. Because I’d be too worried I’d buy one Samba De Amigo pack and see a new one but lack the storage space to fit it in. And I KNOW this will happen since my Rock Band song roster is now officially over 120 songs. the only sensible solution is to make DLC a code based system to unlock content on the disc but then THAT’S bad news…
Also, I so want Mad World….
The DLC in City Folk is new, so yes, I suppose memory may be a problem. That’s one thing I was a tad bit disappointed about. Just letting us load of an SD card would make it so much easier.
Also, you know what the Wii needs? More games that allow you to use your own music in the game. So far to my knowledge Endless Ocean and Excite Truck are the only games to do this.
Some other Wii games I’m looking forward too are Super Sluggers and Harvest Moon. I’d say five games in the latter half of the year is pretty good.
EDIT: Oh and actually, when they had the guy from Square Enix (sorry, don’t know his name) talk about the new games. I thought “Watch, they’re going to announce Final Fantasy.” And what do you know I was actually right…I only guessed that because Sony seems to lose a lot of it’s exclusives…
Haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but have read (and admittedly skimmed) the comments.
I guess the Animal Crossing thing depends on how you liked the previous games. The preview from E3 was well enough to get me excited about the new AC, and I don’t even particularly care about the WiiSpeak. It looks like there are going to be enough changes that it will be a new experience and as good as the others.
In regards to the Frisbee thing in Wii Sports Resort, for all we know, that may not be an entire mode. Like, imagine if for Wii Sports, all we saw of Baseball was pitching. People would complain because it would seem like “how long can you see yourself just pitching?”, but in reality, they just used pitching as an example to show off the controls. It could be like that with the Frisbee: there could be a Frisbee golf/Ultimate Frisbee mode that they just aren’t showing us yet. Ultimate is unlikely because of the moving and all, but Frisbee golf could be a good mode.
As for Wii Music, I fall under the group that doesn’t think it looks fun at all. I mean, maybe I could have some fun waving around and pretending to play instruments, but I’d much rather play Guitar Hero/Rock Band and feel like I’m doing more than waggling.
And by the way, “Happy Birthday” may appear, but Nintendo would have to pay licensing fees, because that is actually copyrighted: http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp
Now, they did say there would be licensed songs, so maybe this is it…that would be the last thing core fans need. Although, assuming the drummer was playing songs from the game, we can at least predict “In the Air Tonight” and “Sunday Bloody Sunday”, which are pretty good songs, but who knows if they will be in the game or if they just used them at random.
Oh, wow. And I thought my comment was long! By the way, what about GTA: Chinatown Wars? I was hoping you guys would mention it.
I did, but ended up cutting it out during the editing process for various reasons…
I like how you randomly put in the fourside song from melee. Also the Mario Kart music for the winning and loosing conference. I’d obviously never heard the loosing music so that was cool to hear. Whiskey Ray? Sounds like your hanging out with Lazelle too much…
Whee, that was a long one and a lot of long comments too. I’ve been writing long comments on E3 all week so I’m not going to write another one. I’m just going to say from this years E3, I’m thinking E3 is moving more to a mainstream media focus for the press conferences anyway.
ACK! JUST GOT TO THE END. NEW ENDING IS CREEPY!
Ha. No, sorry…
*Inhales* podcast sucked, especially if I wanted to hear about E3, I’d just look elsewhere. I don’t pay attention to that all that stuff anyways. Only thing worth of interest is the Wii motion thinger-ma-doosit. I was hoping for a regular podcast and I thought that when you said that most of the features weren’t there it was to make way for a longer ‘t-t-t-topic of the week’ thing. I kept listing to see when this will end and the podcast will continue on like always. this was a wasted hour of my life that I want back. seriously, hopefully the comic this week doesn’t suck. If it does, you’ve lost a reader
Is one of those reasons Time Constraints? š
My E3 games that I may pick up when they’re released (In no particular order):
Left 4 Dead (PC)
Animal Crossing (Wii)
[The remainder of this list was cut off because of time constraints.]
D3vin,
Sorry to disappoint you with the podcast. E3 only comes around once a year, so we figured we could put our usual segments on hold for just a week.
Hopefully you enjoy the comic, but the truth is that we’ll never win them all. Thanks for your comments.
Huh. You guy didn’t even touch on the Nintendo Snowboard game.
I was kinda curious about what you guys had to say about the Balance Board games coming out.
Bout time…….
But anyway, like Lwelyk I covered news on E3 and wrote articles all day of the Microsoft presser. So no long comment for me.
Animal Crossing: Will buy, but building another city will be a pain since there’s not a lot of new stuff. I haven’t played AC in at least 2 years though, so I’m good.
Wii Music: Crappity Crap Crapster.
Wii Sports Resort: Will buy, Satisfaction not guaranteed.
Yay new Microsoft stuff. Gears 2, Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, and Avatars FTW. Other stuff umm…..yeah, Star Ocean, that FTW too.
Now must listen to podcast.
Now I’ve heard the Podcast. Nice intro music Ray.
I’m also excited for Fable 2…..maybe. Yay new GH as well.
Ray, the original [blades] menu will still be in guide button. So if all goes well, the original [blades] menu will basically be available at all times. with the new crappy dashboard only there at the start up.
Avatars are fine, stop complaining. Although I like my VGCatz profile pic, hope I don’t lose it >_< .
Bungie thing is FAIL.
Wii Speak: Yay voicechat, boo public convo’s. Crappy parental concern. I demand a third party headset dammit!
On second thought, I’d rather re-buy the DS AC cause of mobility. Nintendo better bring in some bombshells on the new AC or I’m not buying.
What the hell kind of name is Massive Action Game!? They’d better change that name.
I think both of my post made one big one. Grrr…..Yes, I’m a little aggravated today. Please don’t chastise me for it.
Konami thing makes me feel soooo much better today, smile on my face now š .
This podcast wasn’t the best, but I think that is E3’s fault. Tim and Ray kind of had to talk about it. They do run a gaming podcast, after all. It isn’t their fault that the subject matter turned out to be total crap. Blame Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. And Konami. I hadn’t heard about their big mess up until I listened to the podcast. Someone dropped the ball hard on that one. E3 was just depressing this year.
Also, congrats at the longest podcast yet for 2P Start. 53 minutes, and it sounds like there was a good deal edited out.
@ Ray (no, not the flying Squirrel from that Sonic arcade game)
Sorry for sounding so harsh, I had just gotten up after not enough sleep and I guess that carried on into my comment. I just mean e3 is for new stuff for the current (or upcoming) systems that I don’t have or care about. I only have a ds and that isn’t much of a current-gen console that people flock to develop for. Other than the hits like NSMB and LOZPH and Pokemon D&P and such, we are stuck with all of these lame lincenced-games that are intended for the ‘not my tastes because they are not actually games’ crowd. Did we really need a Brain Age sequel? Or a Napoleon Dynamite game? You get my drift …
by the way, your quote needed some altering, It is now shinier and cool!
now I wish I had a PS3