2P START! Live!: Stylish Edition


TimIn this episode Tim and Ray discuss the difficulty of defining a 2P START! style. Side topics include Wikipedia, the new forum, and all the usual stuff. Good stuff here, so be sure to check it out!


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  1. John 4322 says:

    nice podcast guys!

  2. MetaRidleyR27 says:

    Nice podcast guys! Tim finally got Trivia for Two right! I personally love the style you guys use right now. I remember the Ray from the podcast from a video I saw on your website. What exactly is it that you want to change about your style Ray?

    Also, I sent the good job email to both of you guys. I think it was, “Great job on the forums Tim/Ray! Keep up the good work!” I wasn’t really sure if Ray had done anything so I just wanted to be sure that you both were happy ๐Ÿ™‚ .

  3. Tacos says:

    i think you should put up the image of birdo eyes on grandpa. that would be a hoot

  4. Anon says:

    I sort of like the Black and White Ray on the Podcast picture thing.
    It’s different and more cartoon-y-er but it works. Though it looks like his head is on the wrong way.

    “They have Metal Gear Solid as a cat”. I found that funny.

    I thought Wall-E sounds like he says Wah-all-E.

    The D-Word, that means to “send to the lair of satan”. That’s a swear?

    Zero Puntuation is Awesome. Don’t be dissin’ the Tophat, and the accent.
    Not that I agree all webcomics are bad <..>
    Did you see any of his other videos?

    I can imagine Home being released for the PS4.

  5. steve-ohs says:

    Great Podcast! I totally agree with the whole Zero Punctation being unfair for the webcomic wrapup. I usually find his videos entertaining, but I didn’t like this one.
    I really think I would have liked that mario comic you guys pitched. If you ever can’t think of a comic, make one for that as filler.

  6. tustin says:

    I got mentioned! Sorry… So that’s why you didn’t respond, you were pondering what the consequences of releasing the image would be. Understandable. Sorry for bothering you about all that then.

    And Zero Punctuation is absolutely great! I love his wit, though sometimes I do think he goes too far. However, including him as a “web comic” was stupid.

  7. sheppy says:

    The Zero Punctuation wasn’t quite bashing all webcomics but all that follow the formula he ranted about, of which there are a very fair amount. I thought it was sort of unfair to focus on Buckley with the miscarriage thread but I saw the pregnancy not so much as a welcome addition to the strip, but rather a nine month countdown to suckage. I’m glad to see Buckley man up and admit it was a bad idea but it was still quite dark to throw in there.

    I won’t really comment on the firmware issues (rockin 2.4 with no problems) aside from saying Sony has a test bed of 300 PS3 it has to pass before being sent to the public. All passed, software released to the wild can sometimes show things they never saw before like the PS3 issues (which had no common thread… also, Nintendo has just the same number of motherboard variations out as PS3… except Nintendo was switching em up to kill mod chipping, kinda like how Nintendo’s last update killed my freeloader. I’m still questioning the threat to their income I was by importing Gundam Ace Pilot 2). It sucked that it happened but every other company instead rides out the storm to see how bad it gets before reacting (ala Mozilla’s kicking fits with Vista right now). Pulling was the better decision.

  8. roadjcat says:

    I’m going to add to the list of people talking about Zero Punctuation. Right off the bat I will say that having included AS a webcomic is certainly odd and unnecessary.

    The first of his reviews that I saw was Phantom Hourglass and I pretty much had the same reaction. The swearing was not needed and it wasn’t that funny. But something compelled me to go back and now I have to see every episode, despite the fact that I hate the profanity. And this week’s episode, I personally thought was one of the best yet. Sure, there were some connections I didn’t get, but it didn’t really matter.

    I don’t really think he was saying that everyone is like Penny Arcade (which by the way I find completely unfunny while being extremely raunchy), but that people have seen how successful they’ve been and decided they want to try that as well, in the same way that I’m sure other people thought when the first film was created. They all thought to try their hand at it as well.

    Well, that’s enough of that, on to the Trivia For Two. It’s funny, the Megaman question had me totally stumped because I’ve actually never played a Megaman game. *crowd gasps* But then when I heard the second question I got it immediately, probably because I’m a Metroid fanatic.

  9. tustin says:

    I didn’t know what Joystiq was even after coming here. ๐Ÿ™‚

    *gasp* You’ve never played a megaman game!? 0_o Neither have I! ๐Ÿ™‚

    And I didn’t know that ZP was actually referencing something with that miscarriage thing! So it wasn’t his idea?! That’s weird, and uncalled for! Sheesh… Does anyone have a link so I can see how much it sucks. ๐Ÿ™‚

  10. dr.mario says:

    after seeing some other web comics you have a style that is un like any thing I have ever seen

  11. dj75728 says:

    I could so get that Megaman games question. 9 Megaman’s, 8 Megaman X’s, 4 Megaman Zero’s, 2 Megaman ZX’s, 3 Megaman Legends, 10 or so Battle Networks, 3 Star Forces, 1 Megaman & Bass, 1 Soccer, 1 Racing, 2 fighters, 2 X-tremes, Command Mission, Network Transmission, and Battle Chip Challenge. That’s only 49. How did you get 70? There’s only 49 until I’m proven wrong Ray. I demand a list.

    I didn’t get the Mario comic idea. Blutt? Blunt? Didn’t understand at all. And I got the “Get Silly” reference. And that’s Black Eyed Peas, hardly Rap.

    I’m sure Digg brought me here, or maybe Kotaku. Definitely not Joystiq though. I’ve never really been to Joystiq.

    I hate Penny Arcade and don’t read it. With that said, I do like CAD a lot, and I love Yahtzee’s reviews. I don’t really find anything completely wrong with his video on Web-comics, but I didn’t care for it either. I wish he had reviewed something honestly, like the Diablo III announcement or something. But the Joystiq thing is stupid. Why would they do that?

    My PSP is still on an older firmware. 3.70 or something.

    And the trophies thing sucks cause you’ll have to go play through all your games again if you want trophies. You won’t get trophies for already beaten games/trophy requirements because people can pull 100% saves from the net and have all the trophies. So basically there’s no point in playing a game at all until it’s compatible with trophies.

  12. sheppy says:

    dj, some games will be retroactive with the trophies. Like Burnout Paradise. I did everything in that game (except drive motorcycles, hurry up July 10th) so I know I’m going to get all the trophies. In fact, they even said they placed the trigger points in the code for rewards, they’re just gonna translate that to trophies. So some games will be retroactive but only a few.

    What WOULD be genuis on Sony’s part is if they made Trophy support a requirement for the Greatest Hits lines when they finally introduce it. This would drum up sales for the publisher as well since, via patch, the games in question could grab the patch no matter how old and get the support. It’s too late in Japan wher The Best line is already in circulation but since GH’s have yet to be introduced in the states, and Platinum is still missing in Europe, that’s a hell of a hook to add to a bulletpoint. “Hey, here’s a reason to buy this old game… aside from the cheap price.” Also, the game save exploit is used on 360 frequently so I doubt that’s the concern. The issue is simply adding the trigger points.

    Tustin, http://www.cad-online.com

    I’d suggest going back a full year to get the jist of the strip. I stated before, the miscarriage arc is tragic, but had to be done. And he refused to make a punchline out of it.

  13. Tim says:

    DJ, if this was the Black-Eyed Peas, I’d have no respect for them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfo_MuaGK8

  14. dj75728 says:

    The 360 save exploit is not anywhere near as prevalent as the PS3 one. It’s a concern with the trophy system. And from what I heard, no game will be retroactive because of it.

    @Tim: Statement retracted.

  15. sheppy says:

    The 360 save exploit is not anywhere near as prevalent as the PS3 one. Itโ€™s a concern with the trophy system. And from what I heard, no game will be retroactive because of it.

    Dude, I just gave you a game that WILL be retroactive.

    The main issue, from a software stand point, is the trigger points inside the game. As you reach them, the software sends a trigger saying you’ve activated it. In games that had NO plans in place for this, it could be a pain to include however Criterion stated since they planned Trophy support the entire time (read: Awards in PS3’s version is literally a mirror image of 360’s achievements) and the gamesave is tied to your PSN account, they will be retroactive.

    Honestly, this is the first I heard of gamesaves being the motivation behind it. I’m curious where you heard that. But regardless, 2p start now has a forum, we should continue the discussion there.

  16. Andrew says:

    You two are total Joystiq fanboys.

    I have to say that there is certainly a segment of the gamer webcomic world for which Yahtzee’s review is apt. Is dealing with CAD was apt in pointing out that what happened there did not hit the gamer webcomic target. If you look, there are only a few comics that get into the weekly webcomic wrapup even (not exactly the oscar’s of webcomics), out of tons of comics out there.

    Plus, in any case, Yahtzee’s work isn’t done to be completely original. As with all other media, on a base level it just repeats content in a new style. There is a huge difference between strong bad’s webcomic email and Yahtzee’s review, but it is one of style.

  17. Anon says:

    Frankly I prefer the AVGN to Yahtzee.

  18. MetaRidleyR27 says:

    Ok, I finally understand what Ray wants to do. If you want to try to make Sonic, Mario, and other characters with the 2P START! style, maybe you should make some test drawings. You could also post them here to see what we think of them. Just a thought, of course.

  19. dj75728 says:

    But regardless, 2p start now has a forum, we should continue the discussion there.

    No we shouldn’t. I don’t want to sit and debate over this.

    @Andrew: I hope you weren’t referring to me, cause I still don’t know what Joystiq is. I just assume it’s a gaming site with a forum and some kind of comic poll every week.

    @Ray: I agree with Meta. If you’re that concerned with your style, let your loyal readers chime in :mrgreen:

  20. Ray says:

    You’re right DJ, I think I goofed up.

    12 Megamans, 9 Megaman X, 4 Legends, 20 Battle Network, 4 Zero, 2 ZX, 6 Star Force, 4 Spinoffs which brings me to 61.

    Did I say no handheld games counted? If so, I definitely counted a lot of handhelds that shouldn’t have been. I got a little mixed up counting these right before we started recording the podcast. And I definitely didn’t fully do my homework. Looks like Tim actually won that round?

    Regardless, there are over 100 Mega Man games in the series:


    At least I don’t feel too bad…..

  21. dj75728 says:

    I didn’t count Battle Network 5: Double Team, cause it was just a port of both original games in one package. And I didn’t count the Japan only Battle Network games that I didn’t want to know about. Or Star Force 2, which I wasn’t aware of. I’m really only a fan of the 2D Megaman’s. I’ve beaten Megaman 1-8, X 1-6(the good X’s), Zero 1-4, and ZX 1-2; among some other’s(B.N.3, Network Transmission, etc.).

    P.S. Some of the games in your list were Cell phone games. If not there would have only been 3 Legends games, and 18 NT games. But also, Chip Challenge was a port of N1 battle. So that’s minus 4 games. 57 then.

  22. tustin says:

    Tustin, http://www.cad-online.com
    Iโ€™d suggest going back a full year to get the jist of the strip. I stated before, the miscarriage arc is tragic, but had to be done. And he refused to make a punchline out of it.

    Hmmm… I see a domain for sale, not a comic… ๐Ÿ™‚

  23. lwelyk says:

    Tustin, http://www.cad-online.com
    Iโ€™d suggest going back a full year to get the jist of the strip. I stated before, the miscarriage arc is tragic, but had to be done. And he refused to make a punchline out of it.

    Hmmmโ€ฆ I see a domain for sale, not a comicโ€ฆ

    wrong URL and CAD has gotten pretty lame. I was a huge fan for years, but it just isn’t funny anymore. I check back every once in a while to see if he’s back to his old, funny self. Hasn’t happened yet. The pregnancy storyline was a very dumb idea as well.


    That is a prime example of CAD today. Stupid and unfunny.

    I suggest read the first couple of years, those are brilliant.

  24. igorpwnweed says:

    Nice Jet Grind music!

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